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Qwen3.6 27B vs Qwen3.8 27B for Radeon

Qwen3.6 27B is 27.78B, 262,144 tokens on the official card. Qwen3.8 27B is 27.8B, 262,144 tokens. Q6 / Q5 / Q4 file sizes come from the listed GGUFs on each /models page, or a calculator estimate when a listing is missing. Q3 stays off. Q4 files fit one R9700 at 4K on the calculator for both sides. Neither model was measured on the local desktop. Fit numbers are calculator estimates. llama.cpp first.

How we test — Measured cells cite official amdai-bench/run@1 cards. Estimates stay labeled. Q3 is estimate-only. Q1/Q2 stay off.

Sizes, active params, context

Cited, not measured on the local desktop

Qwen3.6 27B

Dense 27B — cited, not measured

Parameters
27.78B
27.78B total · 27.78B active
Cited context
262,144 tokens
Official card context claim: 262,144 tokens.
Q6 / Q5 / Q4 files
  • Q6_K · 22.52 GB
  • Q5_K_M · 19.51 GB
  • Q4_K_M · 16.82 GB
Official card: 16 of 64 layers full attention. Same hybrid KV idea as Qwen3.8 27B.

Full model page · Official card · GGUF · Can an R9700 run it? · Open in calculator

Cited, not measured on the local desktop

Qwen3.8 27B

Dense 27B — cited, not measured

Parameters
27.8B
27.8B total · 27.8B active
Cited context
262,144 tokens
Official card context claim: 262,144 tokens.
Q6 / Q5 / Q4 files
  • UD-Q6_K · 21.98 GB
  • UD-Q5_K_M · 19.77 GB
  • UD-Q4_K_M · 16.46 GB
Official card: 16 of 64 layers are full attention (GQA 4×256). The rest hold a fixed recurrent state, so KV grows on those 16 layers. 262K native.

Full model page · Official card · GGUF · Can an R9700 run it? · Open in calculator

Fit on common cards

Existing GPU sheets only: R9700, RX 7900 XTX, RX 7900 XT, RX 7800 XT. llama.cpp, f16 KV. Totals are calculator estimates. Speed is measured only on R9700 35B cells that already exist; everything else stays not measured yet. This table lists Q6 / Q5 / Q4. Q3 stays on the calculator as a labeled estimate.

R9700 32 GB

Qwen3.6 27B vs Qwen3.8 27B on R9700
Quant Kind Qwen3.6 27B 4KQwen3.6 27B 32KQwen3.6 27B 256K Qwen3.8 27B 4KQwen3.8 27B 32KQwen3.8 27B 256K
Q6

Q6_K / UD-Q6_K

Estimate

22.1 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

23.9 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

38.1 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.6 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

23.4 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

37.6 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

Q5

Q5_K_M / UD-Q5_K_M

Estimate

19.2 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.0 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

35.2 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

19.5 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.3 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

35.5 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

Q4

Q4_K_M / UD-Q4_K_M

Estimate

16.7 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

18.5 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

32.7 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

16.4 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

18.1 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

32.3 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

RX 7900 XTX 24 GB

Qwen3.6 27B vs Qwen3.8 27B on RX 7900 XTX
Quant Kind Qwen3.6 27B 4KQwen3.6 27B 32KQwen3.6 27B 256K Qwen3.8 27B 4KQwen3.8 27B 32KQwen3.8 27B 256K
Q6

Q6_K / UD-Q6_K

Estimate

22.1 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

23.9 GB

Tight — little desktop headroom

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

38.1 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.6 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

23.4 GB

Tight — little desktop headroom

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

37.6 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

Q5

Q5_K_M / UD-Q5_K_M

Estimate

19.2 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.0 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

35.2 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

19.5 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.3 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

35.5 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

Q4

Q4_K_M / UD-Q4_K_M

Estimate

16.7 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

18.5 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

32.7 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

16.4 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

18.1 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

32.3 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

RX 7900 XT 20 GB

Qwen3.6 27B vs Qwen3.8 27B on RX 7900 XT
Quant Kind Qwen3.6 27B 4KQwen3.6 27B 32KQwen3.6 27B 256K Qwen3.8 27B 4KQwen3.8 27B 32KQwen3.8 27B 256K
Q6

Q6_K / UD-Q6_K

Estimate

22.1 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

23.9 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

38.1 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.6 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

23.4 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

37.6 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

Q5

Q5_K_M / UD-Q5_K_M

Estimate

19.2 GB

Tight — little desktop headroom

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.0 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

35.2 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

19.5 GB

Tight — little desktop headroom

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.3 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

35.5 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

Q4

Q4_K_M / UD-Q4_K_M

Estimate

16.7 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

18.5 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

32.7 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

16.4 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

18.1 GB

Fits in VRAM (estimate)

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

32.3 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

RX 7800 XT 16 GB

Qwen3.6 27B vs Qwen3.8 27B on RX 7800 XT
Quant Kind Qwen3.6 27B 4KQwen3.6 27B 32KQwen3.6 27B 256K Qwen3.8 27B 4KQwen3.8 27B 32KQwen3.8 27B 256K
Q6

Q6_K / UD-Q6_K

Estimate

22.1 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

23.9 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

38.1 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.6 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

23.4 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

37.6 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

Q5

Q5_K_M / UD-Q5_K_M

Estimate

19.2 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.0 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

35.2 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

19.5 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

21.3 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

35.5 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

Q4

Q4_K_M / UD-Q4_K_M

Estimate

16.7 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

18.5 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

32.7 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

16.4 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

18.1 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

32.3 GB

Does not fit this GPU

not measured yet

No official local desktop cell for this model × card. Not measured yet.

System RAM

When a shopper file does not fit, the spill is system RAM. Shopper lines stay Minimum system RAM needed and RAM needed at full context on one R9700 at the model’s shopper quant, 32K selected and the official-card full context. Estimate unless a measured R9700 card overlays the kit.

Qwen3.6 27B

Q4_K_M at 4K or 32K does not fit every listed card on the calculator.

Minimum system RAM needed

32 GB kit

Estimate · 24.7 GiB raw · 32K context

RAM needed at full context

32 GB kit

Estimate · 24.6 GiB raw · 8K full context

Estimate. Offloaded weights + KV in RAM + runtime + OS/desktop + headroom, rounded up to a 32 GB DIMM kit.

Breakdown
Offloaded weights ·
0 GiB
Separable embed in RAM ·
0 GiB
KV in RAM at selected ·
0 GiB
KV in RAM at full context ·
0 GiB
Runtime / backend ·
0.67 GiB
OS / desktop baseline ·
8.00 GiB
Headroom ·
16.0 GiB

Qwen3.8 27B

UD-Q4_K_M at 4K or 32K does not fit every listed card on the calculator.

Minimum system RAM needed

32 GB kit

Estimate · 24.7 GiB raw · 32K context

RAM needed at full context

32 GB kit

Estimate · 24.6 GiB raw · 8K full context

Estimate. Offloaded weights + KV in RAM + runtime + OS/desktop + headroom, rounded up to a 32 GB DIMM kit.

Breakdown
Offloaded weights ·
0 GiB
Separable embed in RAM ·
0 GiB
KV in RAM at selected ·
0 GiB
KV in RAM at full context ·
0 GiB
Runtime / backend ·
0.66 GiB
OS / desktop baseline ·
8.00 GiB
Headroom ·
16.0 GiB

llama.cpp first

Commands and recipes already on the model pages. Cited-model shapes are not measured local desktop recipes. House Flash keeps its existing Strata recipe plus the llama.cpp backend page.

Qwen3.6 27B

  • Qwen3.6 27B llama.cpp Q4_K_M llama.cpp

    # Shape only — not a measured local desktop recipe.
    ./build-vk/bin/llama-server \
      -m ~/models/Qwen3.6-27B-Q4_K_M.gguf \
      -ngl 99 \
      -c 8192 \
      --cache-type-k f16 \
      --cache-type-v f16 \
      --host 127.0.0.1 --port 8080

Qwen3.8 27B

  • Qwen3.8 27B llama.cpp UD-Q4_K_M llama.cpp

    # Shape only — not a measured local desktop recipe.
    ./build-vk/bin/llama-server \
      -m ~/models/Qwen3.8-27B-UD-Q4_K_M.gguf \
      -ngl 99 \
      -c 8192 \
      --cache-type-k f16 \
      --cache-type-v f16 \
      --host 127.0.0.1 --port 8080

Plain-English pick

  • Chat

    Both models hold a Q4 file on one R9700 at 4K on the calculator. Neither side has a local desktop decode cell. Pick on size, active params, and VRAM headroom, not a speed we invent.

  • Coding agents

    Keep llama.cpp first. The side that holds Q4 in VRAM (Qwen3.6 27B and Qwen3.8 27B) is the less painful coding-agent host. House Flash / agent pins stay R9700 / local desktop — they do not transfer. No invented agent speed.

  • Long context

    Cited context is 262,144 tokens vs 262,144 tokens. KV grows with context. Q4 at 32K fits Qwen3.6 27B and fits Qwen3.8 27B on one R9700. Read /long-context for measured R9700 35B 128K–262K cards. We do not invent a 128K decode figure here.

  • Size and VRAM

    Qwen3.6 27B files: Q6_K 22.52 GB, Q5_K_M 19.51 GB, Q4_K_M 16.82 GB. Qwen3.8 27B files: UD-Q6_K 21.98 GB, UD-Q5_K_M 19.77 GB, UD-Q4_K_M 16.46 GB. Fit on the four existing GPU sheets below. Empty speed cells stay not measured yet.

Stack Lab

Open in Stack Lab only where the handoff is already allowlisted. Doctor is always here. House daily / Flash / agent profiles appear only when that house model is on the pair.

Open in Stack Lab

If the app is not installed, packages are not published yet. There is no public download URL. Read the Stack Lab install notes . If Stack Lab is already running on this machine, open the local app .

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